Ivana: Live Chat Show

[ADJ84]

Hello. I want to know when there will be a live chat show with Ivana. I would love to speak a little with her, soon I will make a visit to Moscow.

Thanks a lot. U are the best Ivana.

Bye,

[IvanaF]

Hello ADJ84, I'll glad to see u in my chatroom this Tuesday, but I dunno yet in what time.. I still have some troubles to make a show from the place where I'm.. So it will be not very popular time.. I suppose 17.30 - 19.00 by Moscow.. All correct information I'll post on Sunday, hope I'll see u soon!! :)))))
Ivana

[ADJ84]

Hi Ivana. Thanks for your response. I will be attentive to your information then. I love this blog because I knew a little more of you, like your side of humor and your passion for the subject of Mars :)

Im from Venezuela, but i live in Miami.

You have any plans to visit the United States?... If you come, I recommend you go to Florida, there are plenty of sunshine and beaches throughout the year. It is the best!

A kiss sweetheart...

[ADJ84]

Ahh...Sorry...My name is Andres :)

[IvanaF]

Nice to meet u, Andres!! ))
I'm glad that u like my blog, I'm happy to meet new friends here!!!
I wish to viste USA one day in future..& how did u guess where I want to go for first visite? :eek:hammersmas:thumbsup to sunny Florida of course!!! :))
Have u ever been there? I heard abt big spiders r living in Florida, he he, but I don't afraid, I have my best friend live there too, he promised to be my security :))))
Chmoki & hugs to u, that would be nice to talking to u in chat online!! :)
bye for now,
Ivana

[sambuka]

Ivy don't worry about the spiders because the big poisonous snakes eat them, hahah - - oh and the snakes get eaten by the 15' alligators. So just stay away from the swamp and you will be just fine. I been here 12 years and not got eaten yet lol - maybe British flesh is too sour for them?

maybe when you come i rent you & Dan a porsche to play around in? And I know much nicer places than South Beach for photos - very private beaches ;)

luv
Sam

[IvanaF]

Ivy don't worry about the spiders because the big poisonous snakes eat them, hahah - - oh and the snakes get eaten by the 15' alligators. So just stay away from the swamp and you will be just fine. I been here 12 years and not got eaten yet lol - maybe British flesh is too sour for them?

maybe when you come i rent you & Dan a porsche to play around in? And I know much nicer places than South Beach for photos - very private beaches ;)

luv
Sam

Sankes?? :confused:hammersmas:eek: Alligators??? :eek::eek:scrredd LOOOOOOOL Sam, thats fuuuuun, he he ))))))))) CHMOKI, see ya!! :)))
Ivy

[ADJ84]

Hi Ivy!!!

Don't worry about the spiders and alligators, i will be your security man (forget your friend, he, he)..

There are lots of fun things to do in Florida ... and also much Mojito! toast

I hope to see you soon in live chat ..

kisses

Andres

[BFofAKournikova]

forget your friend, he, he




WHAT?! :eek:


I think there is a snowball's chance in hell that Ivy would ever forget me :wow:

[Dimmuborgir]

hi ivana great to see you back i missed you i cant wait to see you on live show tuesday its early for me but i wll be there even if i have to stay up all night hehe or go to bed early.

[IvanaF]

dear Jamie, Brad, Andres, Jonathan & all my sweet friends!! :fire
I'm happy to see u today in my chatroom:
http://board.dieselaccess.com/v368/showthread.php?t=7620
Hawley, I also wating for u very much on this week, I need to know your opinion abt latest events (doings) with $, back oil & War with my country!! Hope u can catch me one day!! & Don't forget, I have pretty juicy pussy & little butt for Big play, hehe, So u can forget abt previous subject ))))))
Love ya all!!! CHMOKI :thumbsup
your Ivy

[bradpears]

Hey my littleange I'll be there with bells on, so looking forward to see in chat baby !!! elephant:beertoast:thumbsup

Love Ya baby

Brad peace

[mteagle]

peaceelephantelephantdoggy:sarcastic:thumbsup
was a great show :thumbsupand i thank you for your takeing time out of your day too spend with us and that you call me moya drug:southparkpeace
till we meet againtoast:tj

[Woopwoop]

Hawley, I also wating for u very much on this week, I need to know your opinion abt latest events (doings) with $, back oil & War with my country!!


It's a little too one sided to call a War... its more like an invasion. Russia are becoming a little like France... no one likes them, well thats not quite true, North Korea and China do! thats two more than France:):sarcastic

p.s sent u mail

xx

[IvanaF]

It's a little too one sided to call a War... its more like an invasion. Russia are becoming a little like France... no one likes them, well thats not quite true, North Korea and China do! thats two more than France:):sarcastic

p.s sent u mail

xx

Invasion???? :eek::confused::eek::confused: That were ####g georgians went to South Ossetia, & they don't forget to take big guns with them madbammadbammadbam, & they KILLED 1500 OF PEOPLE, p_eacefull people, btw :mad::mad::mad::gr:inmadwaygfinmadwaygfinmadwaygfm adbam:crazy
& your ####g famouse GB's newspapers r shy to name it ###g WAR?????

[IvanaF]

Hello guys, actually I wanted to post here information abt my chat today )))) So, relax ))))
First I want to say - yesterday was mourning day in my country, & flags of Russia & South Ossetia were lower a little, so I didn't want to make a show on this week, but I'll in chat today:
http://board.dieselaccess.com/v368/showthread.php?t=7620
But I wouldn't get naked or smth. ))))) Sorry, thats not becouse of War in South Ossetia, that's becouse I'm sick & tired :sarcastic to run around puter to find my panty & try to hide the cam, when I hear sound of key outside the door!!!!!! :sarcastic:sarcasticpimp
Well, welcome ))))
IvanaDark

[Woopwoop]

Invasion???? :eek::confused::eek::confused: That were ####g georgians went to South Ossetia, & they don't forget to take big guns with them madbammadbammadbam, & they KILLED 1500 OF PEOPLE, p_eacefull people, btw :mad::mad::mad::gr:inmadwaygfinmadwaygfinmadwaygfm adbam:crazy
& your ####g famouse GB's newspapers r shy to name it ###g WAR?????


Hehe:)

It's not the GB news papers.. It's the GB undercover film crew's, see it to believe it. Russia only tell their people what they want to hear.

Georgians and Russia have always been fighting arguing about Ossetia, last ten years? It seems strange when there is a new oil pipe from Turkey to Georgia, and Georgia is close to joining Nato, that Russia now want to "invade". i mean would Russia want to invade after they join Nato?;)

Russia are losing friends that is a fact, but do Russia care? i doubt it. maybe they happy for the rich to get richer and poor to get poorer, and the rest of the world ignore them. (Iron Curtain)

India and pakistan have been fighting over kashmir for even more years, should India invade pakistan and kill 1000's of more innocent people?

What Russia is doing is hitting a nail with a sledgehammer... are they right or wrong? i dont know, im just saying what they are doing.

[IvanaF]

Hehe:)

It's not the GB news papers.. It's the GB undercover film crew's, see it to believe it. Russia only tell their people what they want to hear.

Georgians and Russia have always been fighting arguing about Ossetia, last ten years? It seems strange when there is a new oil pipe from Turkey to Georgia, and Georgia is close to joining Nato, that Russia now want to "invade". i mean would Russia want to invade after they join Nato?;)

Russia are losing friends that is a fact, but do Russia care? i doubt it. maybe they happy for the rich to get richer and poor to get poorer, and the rest of the world ignore them. (Iron Curtain)

India and pakistan have been fighting over kashmir for even more years, should India invade pakistan and kill 1000's of more innocent people?

What Russia is doing is hitting a nail with a sledgehammer... are they right or wrong? i dont know, im just saying what they are doing.

What is your foundation (basis), hwl, that u was able to built this opinion?
(pls, sorry my mistakes in English)
I dunno so much abt Pakistan's troubles, but Russia don't need territory of South Ossetia as much as georgia needs.. Turkey? He, he, I suppose now RUSSIA will bring black oil to them??
Georgia going to NATO??? LOOOL Congrads to American goverment!!!! :banana Thats the same boolshit like Ukraine going to ES!!!!
Thats suxxx, that countries (& people there) don't need it so much so USA )))
I read many information from russian's blogs & L.J... (people went crazy since that Friday, when the war was going to begin, I'm just back from KaZantip & joined to internet & was VERY surprised!!).. & the reason of this, they r all think that Russia is right & they r all very pride of it all, but it's normal reaction!! ))))) But I'm sure we (russians) r all don't know abt true motive, but u wrong, hwl, Russians didn't start this war..
Maybe America getting bored with their games in Iraque & Iran & Afganistan & they also want to have a fight like georgian's friends?? (I remeber ms. Rice told that "Russians needs to remove their army from georgians territory!" GEORGIAN'S TERRITORY?? Aww, ms. Rice, your newsmakers & speachwrihters r smoked holland's weed, hehe??? Or u forgot to send your "independent" juornalist to the place where he can see better & closer, then from USA :confused::confused:fuckyou :thumbsup)
Hawley, do u know that South Ossetia it is unrecognized respublica, (but North Ossetia - it's RussianFederation's respub.) & they can to declare abt independent, like Cosovo did, & georgia will lost the chance..
Russians just helped to remove georgian's agressors from territory near our boarder,(& I hope North. Ossetia made their conclusion, too).. I know, we have lost friends, but it's just a plan of our enemies (guess who), so we know that our real friends will stay with us )))
I read site, name Inopressa ( there u can find articles, traslated on russian from foreign papers, like NY-Times, Times (GB)..etc, & many famous newspapers all over the world) & I want to say - they r all want to see Russia like agressor, I think u r so ####g scary of us, that ready to believe in your first mind!! That mean, if u feel scary, u can feel it only if u see some agressive persone (for example) near u, becouse if u see something good (good persone) - u will feel relax, so now I und why u don't like Russia :crazy:thumbsup
Btw, we lost also our fervour to Olympic games.. suxxxx
We back to 10 years ago with situation on Caucases mountines & around.. Our deplomatic politicy to this region get broken absolutly!!! madbam
I saw in news like georgians what live in Russia kill one russian teenager on underground station & second teen in hospital now with many hurts!! & there r a lot of georgians (& ossetians & people from Vladikavkaz ( Caucases) in my city!!
The one thing is not bad - dollar here grow up fast & good, so it's good for my salary (pays) :))) I getting to make many videos at this ###g period )))
Ivanachka

[Woopwoop]

What is your foundation (basis), hwl, that u was able to built this opinion?
(pls, sorry my mistakes in English)
I dunno so much abt Pakistan's troubles, but Russia don't need territory of South Ossetia as much as georgia needs.. Turkey? He, he, I suppose now RUSSIA will bring black oil to them??
Georgia going to NATO??? LOOOL Congrads to American goverment!!!! :banana Thats the same boolshit like Ukraine going to ES!!!!
Thats suxxx, that countries (& people there) don't need it so much so USA )))
I read many information from russian's blogs & L.J... (people went crazy since that Friday, when the war was going to begin, I'm just back from KaZantip & joined to internet & was VERY surprised!!).. & the reason of this, they r all think that Russia is right & they r all very pride of it all, but it's normal reaction!! ))))) But I'm sure we (russians) r all don't know abt true motive, but u wrong, hwl, Russians didn't start this war..
Maybe America getting bored with their games in Iraque & Iran & Afganistan & they also want to have a fight like georgian's friends?? (I remeber ms. Rice told that "Russians needs to remove their army from georgians territory!" GEORGIAN'S TERRITORY?? Aww, ms. Rice, your newsmakers & speachwrihters r smoked holland's weed, hehe??? Or u forgot to send your "independent" juornalist to the place where he can see better & closer, then from USA :confused::confused:fuckyou :thumbsup)
Hawley, do u know that South Ossetia it is unrecognized respublica, (but North Ossetia - it's RussianFederation's respub.) & they can to declare abt independent, like Cosovo did, & georgia will lost the chance..
Russians just helped to remove georgian's agressors from territory near our boarder,(& I hope North. Ossetia made their conclusion, too).. I know, we have lost friends, but it's just a plan of our enemies (guess who), so we know that our real friends will stay with us )))
I read site, name Inopressa ( there u can find articles, traslated on russian from foreign papers, like NY-Times, Times (GB)..etc, & many famous newspapers all over the world) & I want to say - they r all want to see Russia like agressor, I think u r so ####g scary of us, that ready to believe in your first mind!! That mean, if u feel scary, u can feel it only if u see some agressive persone (for example) near u, becouse if u see something good (good persone) - u will feel relax, so now I und why u don't like Russia :crazy:thumbsup
Btw, we lost also our fervour to Olympic games.. suxxxx
We back to 10 years ago with situation on Caucases mountines & around.. Our deplomatic politicy to this region get broken absolutly!!! madbam
I saw in news like georgians what live in Russia kill one russian teenager on underground station & second teen in hospital now with many hurts!! & there r a lot of georgians (& ossetians & people from Vladikavkaz ( Caucases) in my city!!
The one thing is not bad - dollar here grow up fast & good, so it's good for my salary (pays) :))) I getting to make many videos at this ###g period )))
Ivanachka

Just like you hun, i base my veiws on the News. Like South Ossetia soldiers robbing and burning homes in Georgia.. And Russia's "ceasefire" but today they bonb Gori..
Just because you live in Russia does not mean you know more about this than i do, infact i would say people who live outside of Russia know more!:)

I understand why you think Russia are right hun, but wasnt it you who thought Cuba dictator Fidel Castro
was a great man?:crazy:wow:

All the news in the world doesnt show the real truth, but trust me, in Russia show far from the turth:).

There are people on this forum from all over the world, i doubt anyone will say Russia are right.. so just maybe Russia are wrong:confused:

or maybe people wont say what they feel, because they fear upset you hehe

x

[Woopwoop]

Hey, can me and you have that fight in the Mud bath? Brad wanted that movie, and if i can, i will let you win that fight..lol

but not this one;)

[IvanaF]

Just like you hun, i base my veiws on the News. Like South Ossetia soldiers robbing and burning homes in Georgia.. And Russia's "ceasefire" but today they bonb Gori..
Just because you live in Russia does not mean you know more about this than i do, infact i would say people who live outside of Russia know more!:)

I understand why you think Russia are right hun, but wasnt it you who thought Cuba dictator Fidel Castro
was a great man?:crazy:wow:

All the news in the world doesnt show the real truth, but trust me, in Russia show far from the turth:).

There are people on this forum from all over the world, i doubt anyone will say Russia are right.. so just maybe Russia are wrong:confused:

or maybe people wont say what they feel, because they fear upset you hehe

x


If u r living not in Russia, it doesn't let u to tell that u know more ;)
Awww, Fidel, I adore this dude!! He lives in pretty place where is coca is always green & there is nice people drink "Mojto" under palm-trees!! This guy give his soul to his people, & it's realy fun to see how one guy (& some memebrs of his family) can to be "on top" so long time..in such a beautifull magic country!!! :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup
OK, woopley, so thats mean u think Russia started "ceasefire" first? So tell me why we boombed Ossetia?? They r our friends!! We boombed georgians solders there, becouse the solders killed p_eacefull native people..1600 for today, & georgians boombed also a water-system, to leave the people with no water, is that no war against p_eacefull native people?
I dunno what belgian's pr-makers imagined & created abt the war for foreign newsmakers, but they got a good cash, of course.. & they worked specially for Europe..
I'm worried abt american's reaction, they r do some action, but this action is strange, nobody knows what they will do.. :confused: so I'm waiting..
Hawl, u sent me an email, I read it today & want to say "Bingo!! That's u r realy right!!" Sad, I can't to post your privat email here, but I share u in that moment, Chmoki!! :thumbsup
Ivanachka

[IvanaF]

Aww, I wish to fight with u in mud!! Pls, I no need any odds.. I'll seduce u & u won't stay )))
Ivy

[Woopwoop]

Aww, I wish to fight with u in mud!! Pls, I no need any odds.. I'll seduce u & u won't stay )))
Ivy


hehe:)

how can i fight u when u look like that? i would go weak just looking at u;)elephant


x

[ora]

what a nice debate! I can t judge whostarted with agressions, but I am sure it has to do with the pipeline (was it EU-interest?) & the end of area Bush: Georgian presi thought of using last chance before Bush is gone for action.If Russia did no prevention-strike, it had to react cause of their spheres of interest in the context of US plans to build a rocketshield in czech Republic. All this is also threatening long time Putin policy of rebuild old USSR superpower-status. His reproach to Georgia practicing genozide is somehow fake, coz it is like normal in Russian history- a custom. What is common to all "players" is their none-existing respect for civilians: THEYdie in huge numbers, no matter if Georgians, Russians, Americans or Muslim fanatics play their dirty games. (You may include the Germans, too, we gave enough examples in history). It also shows, that peace in the world is very fragile and always close to pulverise.
Finally, Hunneybee Ivy, I don t think that I ll save the world if I kill myself :D
enjoy life! peace!
ora

[Frank756]

My dear Ivana I agree with you upon South Ossetia and Georgia issue.:thumbsup:)

Honestly I’m very afraid for what is happening in Georgia and I am also very bothered by the kind of news you can get upon this issue through Italian media.
I’ve noticed, here (and I think in the West, as well), it is not easy to have an correct idea of Russia and its policy. Normally here media talk of it just to point out troubles and defects your that Country.
I began to mistrust those news some years ago during the Ukrainian row upon oil and gas, then one year later on the Belarus one, then during last Russian election, and so on.
Every time there is ground for media to say Russia has an aggressive foreign policy and it is not a democratic Country. I don’t think so at all and I think Russian has a clever, careful and legal foreign policy.
Take for instance the South Ossetia issue: why is it correct to consider a independent Kosovo and a Tibet as well but South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Trans-dniester cannot be independent? If Russian carry on this policy does that mean Russia has an aggressive foreign policy?
On my side I’ve noticed Saakashvili’s policy and Yuschenko’s one as well are odd foreign policies. Frankly I don’t see the reason the leaders of two Countries like Georgia and Ukraine must be members of NATO. If you consider Ukraine, at least half of people there for cultural, historical, political and ethnic and tongue reason prefer Russian than West, there most of the people disagree upon NATO and their rulers are trying their best to put Ukraine in the NATO? Is that a democratic policy? No doubt for the White House there are a government and president democratically elected by people in Kiev but if you consider the very thin majority of the guy who rules Ukraine and its odd choice to go on with this foolish policy you will see that is the best way to break the Country in two ones.
Concerning Georgia, that is a Country with a leadership which has paid more attention to its link of friendship with America than to good interest of the its people. A few month ago the were serious rows in Tbilisi, just before election: weren’t those rows undemocratic because West is used to consider rows of pink and orange revolutions as the only democratic ones?
To cut the story short (I wouldn’t like to bore anyone with my thoughts but I feel myself very uneasy in these days for the lot of lies papers and TVs say) Russia in now in South Ossetia and Abkhazia because of a previous recent aggressive and cruel policy of Tbilisi government in those regions. As far as I can noticed, nevertheless what media are saying here, Russian is moving itself in a very careful and legal way. On my point it doesn’t matter the integrity of Georgia but the will of peoples of South Ossetia and Abhazia, and I truly hope Russian can help those peoples to carry on their wills to break away these two regions from Georgia. Finally I still hope, people and government in the west (nice to see some ones have already notice what kind of guy Saakashvili is) will learn soon the actual Georgian leadership can’t be trusted and can’t be considered a valid ally in the NATO.

…today in Italy in a public holiday, anyway I wish a nice August 15th to everyone, and ... in particular to you, Ivana.:tjtoast:thumbsup:)

[Frank756]

I would still like to say a thing (then I feel I talked too much for today …): at last me too have a high connection! What a same, so far I’ve just had a low connection so I wasn’t able to join your chat room and to surf in your website in a proper way.
Just now a can appreciate in a better way all stuff you can find there: allow me to say again you are an wonderful angel, Ivana.
No doubt, you are so cute and hot you are unbeatable but on my point of view they are your sweetness and your elegant style make you the greatest. :thumbsup
Thank you Ivana.:)
Пока, Франко.

[mteagle]

If u r living not in Russia, it doesn't let u to tell that u know more ;)
Awww, Fidel, I adore this dude!! He lives in pretty place where is coca is always green & there is nice people drink "Mojto" under palm-trees!! This guy give his soul to his people, & it's realy fun to see how one guy (& some memebrs of his family) can to be "on top" so long time..in such a beautifull magic country!!! :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup
OK, woopley, so thats mean u think Russia started "ceasefire" first? So tell me why we boombed Ossetia?? They r our friends!! We boombed georgians solders there, becouse the solders killed p_eacefull native people..1600 for today, & georgians boombed also a water-system, to leave the people with no water, is that no war against p_eacefull native people?
I dunno what belgian's pr-makers imagined & created abt the war for foreign newsmakers, but they got a good cash, of course.. & they worked specially for Europe..
I'm worried abt american's reaction, they r do some action, but this action is strange, nobody knows what they will do.. :confused: so I'm waiting..
Hawl, u sent me an email, I read it today & want to say "Bingo!! That's u r realy right!!" Sad, I can't to post your privat email here, but I share u in that moment, Chmoki!! :thumbsup
Ivanachka

peace not liveing in the area , i have too rely on news and thank you you veiws from liveing there southpark i just watched a special from former president Gorbchev and the Georgian president ! and both had different storieshammersmasbut what can you expect from politicains !doh i feel sorry for the inocent people that are caught up in nothing more then conroll over land and past countries of the former soviet union! who is next ukrain or other oil rich baltic countries ???the war in irack is about the black gold and the takeing care or the oil companies investments !it seem interesting both bush and putin are x cia and kgb and are pro oil ? as far as casto goe's how can you say that as how many immigrant risked there live's in escapeing from cuba ? maby some the florida resident can get actual views from cuban refugee's who fled cuba ?and castroe's regrime!i stilll rember the 64 stand off that blocked the russian deployment of missiles in cuba !and even tho i didn't fight a russian face too face in viet nam for i still fought them in principal : but i am happy too say that i have russian friend's something i wouldn't have thought about in the 60's! and was forbidden by my govt. i don't know how many have actually experience WAR !!!! but i still rember my time in a combat zone !where it is kill or be killed ! the worst thing i had too do was putting innocent old women and *****ren in pow camps:confused: because charlie forced them too try and move arms around the the country :( i still rember the first time i squeezed the trigger on my piece at a human being !and greatful that i didn;t have to do so on a 10 year old kid !southparkpeacepeace WAR IS HELL!!! btw i don't have too buy a gun as i have had guns since i have been very young ! but as was said enjoy life elephant for you never know when thing's may change pimp listen too billy joel singing lenagrad or siagon this is life in war ~!!peacepeacepeacemir lubou' moya podruga !!!muah'

[Woopwoop]

My dear Ivana I agree with you upon South Ossetia and Georgia issue.:thumbsup:)

Honestly I’m very afraid for what is happening in Georgia and I am also very bothered by the kind of news you can get upon this issue through Italian media.
I’ve noticed, here (and I think in the West, as well), it is not easy to have an correct idea of Russia and its policy. Normally here media talk of it just to point out troubles and defects your that Country.
I began to mistrust those news some years ago during the Ukrainian row upon oil and gas, then one year later on the Belarus one, then during last Russian election, and so on.
Every time there is ground for media to say Russia has an aggressive foreign policy and it is not a democratic Country. I don’t think so at all and I think Russian has a clever, careful and legal foreign policy.
Take for instance the South Ossetia issue: why is it correct to consider a independent Kosovo and a Tibet as well but South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Trans-dniester cannot be independent? If Russian carry on this policy does that mean Russia has an aggressive foreign policy?
On my side I’ve noticed Saakashvili’s policy and Yuschenko’s one as well are odd foreign policies. Frankly I don’t see the reason the leaders of two Countries like Georgia and Ukraine must be members of NATO. If you consider Ukraine, at least half of people there for cultural, historical, political and ethnic and tongue reason prefer Russian than West, there most of the people disagree upon NATO and their rulers are trying their best to put Ukraine in the NATO? Is that a democratic policy? No doubt for the White House there are a government and president democratically elected by people in Kiev but if you consider the very thin majority of the guy who rules Ukraine and its odd choice to go on with this foolish policy you will see that is the best way to break the Country in two ones.
Concerning Georgia, that is a Country with a leadership which has paid more attention to its link of friendship with America than to good interest of the its people. A few month ago the were serious rows in Tbilisi, just before election: weren’t those rows undemocratic because West is used to consider rows of pink and orange revolutions as the only democratic ones?
To cut the story short (I wouldn’t like to bore anyone with my thoughts but I feel myself very uneasy in these days for the lot of lies papers and TVs say) Russia in now in South Ossetia and Abkhazia because of a previous recent aggressive and cruel policy of Tbilisi government in those regions. As far as I can noticed, nevertheless what media are saying here, Russian is moving itself in a very careful and legal way. On my point it doesn’t matter the integrity of Georgia but the will of peoples of South Ossetia and Abhazia, and I truly hope Russian can help those peoples to carry on their wills to break away these two regions from Georgia. Finally I still hope, people and government in the west (nice to see some ones have already notice what kind of guy Saakashvili is) will learn soon the actual Georgian leadership can’t be trusted and can’t be considered a valid ally in the NATO.

…today in Italy in a public holiday, anyway I wish a nice August 15th to everyone, and ... in particular to you, Ivana.:tjtoast:thumbsup:)


Hmm well i have read this a few times, and with an openmind i see no reason to justify Russia invading bombing and pillaging Georgia.

but like you say "Russian is moving itself in a very careful and legal way". lets hope more people think the same as you and Russia. Bomb the fukers in a legal way....respect:thumbsup:thumbsup:sarcastic:crazy

[Frank756]

Of course bombs and casualties are a dreadful thing (A VERY DREADFUL THING!), but don’t forget the sad story began because a guy named Saakashvili broke a ceasefire last week then shelled the South Ossetia and its capital.
Who took care of those people? For this reason I consider Russia was right to defend them against a liar and cruel ruler as the Georgian leader.
Furthermore I meant to say Russia is careful because it is untrue its want to invade Georgia, they are there just to prevent Tbilisi government to do more damage.
I thinks the best thing to do it should be to remove Saakashvili and to avoid to carry on with Georgia. in the Nato.
The nowadays main danger in the region are not Russian but the actual Georgian leadership.

[Woopwoop]

Of course bombs and casualties are a dreadful thing (A VERY DREADFUL THING!), but don’t forget the sad story began because a guy named Saakashvili broke a ceasefire last week then shelled the South Ossetia and its capital.
Who took care of those people? For this reason I consider Russia was right to defend them against a liar and cruel ruler as the Georgian leader.
Furthermore I meant to say Russia is careful because it is untrue its want to invade Georgia, they are there just to prevent Tbilisi government to do more damage.
I thinks the best thing to do it should be to remove Saakashvili and to avoid to carry on with Georgia. in the Nato.
The nowadays main danger in the region are not Russian but the actual Georgian leadership.


Im not sayin Russia was wrong to do something, as i dont really know and NONE of us really know who or what started this. But its fair to say if Russia was being caring why wouldnt they stay in and around Ossetia? And wait for talks to sort the minor troubles out. G8 UN etc

Why did they have to move deep into Georgia and use cluster bombs and kill innocent people and their homes. That is helping no one!

Russia went over the top and did way too much! i guess thats why Germany, France, USA, GB to name a few, all agree and stand by Georgia.


Russia are losing friends around the world fast! and because of this they will find it very hard to be trusted or respected outside Russia for many years, apart from you of course;) hehe


peace

[Frank756]

At first I don’t mean to hurt the feeling of anyone here peace, this is not the place, but allow me to add a thing.
It is not just my opinion the Georgian breaking of ceasefire of last week was the main reason of the origin of this is story.
The White House propaganda is trying to stress the fact Russia is now on the Georgia soil and compares that to the occupation of 1954 and 1968 in East Europe. But let me say that is a nonsense.
How many lies has been said by Saakashvili and Americans about Russian shelling on Georgian territory in these last day I read a lot of dreadful things issued by them as propaganda and these news were denied later.
Yes, if you think that dishonest propaganda is true then people should distrust Russia for its performance in Caucasus.
America is too interested to maintain an ally as Georgia in the region to allow people to know South Ossetia and Abkhazia have the duty (as Kosovo) to break away from Georgia.
Sadly war is war, and Saakashvili should have known it when I chose to invade South Ossetia.
Just an example in the 1st Gurf War, Americans didn’t stop themselves when their freed Kuwait but they invading South Iraq too because they thought Saddam was the main cause of danger.
I just hope people could see which is the truth in this said story. Honestly so far I’ve thought America wasn’t able to show so much hypocrisy in its foreign policy. There are ground to be truly afraid for it.
Anyway thank your for this discussion.peace:)

[Woopwoop]

At first I don’t mean to hurt the feeling of anyone here peace, this is not the place, but allow me to add a thing.
It is not just my opinion the Georgian breaking of ceasefire of last week was the main reason of the origin of this is story.
The White House propaganda is trying to stress the fact Russia is now on the Georgia soil and compares that to the occupation of 1954 and 1968 in East Europe. But let me say that is a nonsense.
How many lies has been said by Saakashvili and Americans about Russian shelling on Georgian territory in these last day I read a lot of dreadful things issued by them as propaganda and these news were denied later.
Yes, if you think that dishonest propaganda is true then people should distrust Russia for its performance in Caucasus.
America is too interested to maintain an ally as Georgia in the region to allow people to know South Ossetia and Abkhazia have the duty (as Kosovo) to break away from Georgia.
Sadly war is war, and Saakashvili should have known it when I chose to invade South Ossetia.
Just an example in the 1st Gurf War, Americans didn’t stop themselves when their freed Kuwait but they invading South Iraq too because they thought Saddam was the main cause of danger.
I just hope people could see which is the truth in this said story. Honestly so far I’ve thought America wasn’t able to show so much hypocrisy in its foreign policy. There are ground to be truly afraid for it.
Anyway thank your for this discussion.peace:)


Hehe i think we have a case of Envy:)

what's America got to do with any of this? but deep down i think America has everything to do this this. Soon as Bush said " Russia MUST leave Georgia now" str8 away the anti USA people around the world(and there are many) will stick up for the other side, no matter what they are doing,,, So whats a few cluster bombs, and death on inncocent people, when its come to making an anti America statement.:sarcastic

I mean it would have been too topical to make an example about Russia invsion of Czechoslovakia in 1968!

I doubt you and i will never know for sure who started this. I was trying to stay with facts. Its sad in this world people will surport "war" when they dont know all the facts, just makes killing and death seem so easy to do.
but its just if not more likely that Russia'a army have been prepared for the invsion for many weeks, and the ceasefire was fixed by Russia so they could move in. who knows:confused:


Im really sooo not offended in anyway about ur veiwstoast

[Frank756]

Good question “what’s America got to do with any of this”?
Why American has always to teach other people what they must do?
Thanks to American interference there weren’t any other Country in these past year (a part Russia) who tooks care of the wills of people of South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Trans-dniester region. Why?
Why did America pay so much attention to wills of independency of Croatia, Bosnia Erzegovina, Kosovo as well Baltic Republic and so on but it never paid attention to the wills of most people of those above three regions of ex Soviet Union? My answer is because also after the end of Cold War USA has always tried to hurt Russia. Then now nevertheless the success of Russian in this sad war (every war is a sad war!) USA is trying to carry on a propaganda in the hope the restore the prestige of Saakashvili because it needs of him to go on with its policy to isolate Russia trying to get the highest number of allies among republics of ex-USSR.
I repeat the question I asked before: which is the need to add Georgia and Ukraine in the NATO? It doesn’t matter whether most of people there don’t want to be part of the that alliance, the most important thing for USA is to hurt Russia. For too many in America the cold war is not over yet.
Then please believe me, I don’t “support war”, I would like to think war is always avoidable but sadly in certain period of our history war was the only choice, take for instance WWII, I think (and probably you too) the allies of then were right of fight the arrogance of Germany.
I feel it is hugely sad to say so. Human being are unable to manage they policies in a way they can avoid wars. The last thing I want to do is the propaganda of war, but if you have to defend yourself or other against the tyranny of someone else, probably sometime you had to defend yourself (or others) using weapons (America has always been a teacher in this art).
I agree upon a thing you said, in the world there are many people who are “anti-USA”. Then a good question is why so many people don’t love America (I mean America foreign policy not American people :))?
Finally I repeat I really don’t mean to hurt your feeling as well as I don’t want to offend you.peace:)

[Woopwoop]

Good question “what’s America got to do with any of this”?
Why American has always to teach other people what they must do?
Thanks to American interference there weren’t any other Country in these past year (a part Russia) who tooks care of the wills of people of South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Trans-dniester region. Why?
Why did America pay so much attention to wills of independency of Croatia, Bosnia Erzegovina, Kosovo as well Baltic Republic and so on but it never paid attention to the wills of most people of those above three regions of ex Soviet Union? My answer is because also after the end of Cold War USA has always tried to hurt Russia. Then now nevertheless the success of Russian in this sad war (every war is a sad war!) USA is trying to carry on a propaganda in the hope the restore the prestige of Saakashvili because it needs of him to go on with its policy to isolate Russia trying to get the highest number of allies among republics of ex-USSR.
I repeat the question I asked before: which is the need to add Georgia and Ukraine in the NATO? It doesn’t matter whether most of people there don’t want to be part of the that alliance, the most important thing for USA is to hurt Russia. For too many in America the cold war is not over yet.
Then please believe me, I don’t “support war”, I would like to think war is always avoidable but sadly in certain period of our history war was the only choice, take for instance WWII, I think (and probably you too) the allies of then were right of fight the arrogance of Germany.
I feel it is hugely sad to say so. Human being are unable to manage they policies in a way they can avoid wars. The last thing I want to do is the propaganda of war, but if you have to defend yourself or other against the tyranny of someone else, probably sometime you had to defend yourself (or others) using weapons (America has always been a teacher in this art).
I agree upon a thing you said, in the world there are many people who are “anti-USA”. Then a good question is why so many people don’t love America (I mean America foreign policy not American people :))?
Finally I repeat I really don’t mean to hurt your feeling as well as I don’t want to offend you.peace:)


Yes i think i hit the nail on the head.. its more anti USA than anything else i hear from you. Im from the UK and think our Government are awful at times, and the USA no better.

U say about WII where the USA were last to join in the fighting, and Russia were the masters of propaganda(easy to twist things to suit). Russia/ USA/GB are all bad in my view. But the USA have done far more good for this world than bad, so why hate them? because you Envy them:confused:

If we left Italy to sort world troubles out, we would all be sitting back as Genaside and other evil acts take place as we stuff our faces with pizza:)
be thankful we have a super power like the USA watching our backs and the backs of others, and not Russia or China doin it!!scrredd

Russia and only russia have hurt their mother land, and isolated them from the soon to be G7:)

Enuff said as your making this thread about USA and it wasnt or shouldnt be... fun tho:)

:beer

[Frank756]

The matter is USA are a superpower and they want interfere in the affair of every corner of the world. Yes I agree sometime they were right and probably the world should thanks USA, for instance on my point of view Italy must be hugely grateful to USA (and USSR and UK as well) for liberation from fascism, and of course USSR in WWI suffered the worst pain.
But after so many mistakes and in particular last ones (war again IRAQ for instance) USA are loosing a lot a credibility also among their allies and it looks their ongoing leadership is going on in the same way as in the past.
Yes USA are a superpower but they are loosing power, prestige and credibility, they look year by year more unable to manage things of the world. The world is changing and new Countries are increasing they richness and power.
I’m glad to see many developing Countries are becoming richer and perhaps it will be a good thing if in the world there will be not only a superpower. At least I hope so.
Anyway, day by day West and U.E. need more of Russia and its oil, so Russia won’t be isolated (a part the fact it has good relationship with other Counties which are so loved by USA).
What a pity that a superpower like USA is suffering its decline meanwhile that superpower is still trying to perform its foreign policy with the same arrogance (or perhaps more arrogance) of the past.
Perhaps USA won the Cold War but there are losing the actual confrontation with Russia. The former is declining but the latter is surging.

Well now, a part the trouble of the world, (and as you said, the huge ones of Italy) since I’m on holiday I’m going to paint my kitchen but honestly I don’t have so much willingness. doh
Have a nice day you too. :thumbsuptoast:)

[Woopwoop]

The matter is USA are a superpower and they want interfere in the affair of every corner of the world. Yes I agree sometime they were right and probably the world should thanks USA, for instance on my point of view Italy must be hugely grateful to USA (and USSR and UK as well) for liberation from fascism, and of course USSR in WWI suffered the worst pain.
But after so many mistakes and in particular last ones (war again IRAQ for instance) USA are loosing a lot a credibility also among their allies and it looks their ongoing leadership is going on in the same way as in the past.
Yes USA are a superpower but they are loosing power, prestige and credibility, they look year by year more unable to manage things of the world. The world is changing and new Countries are increasing they richness and power.
I’m glad to see many developing Countries are becoming richer and perhaps it will be a good thing if in the world there will be not only a superpower. At least I hope so.
Anyway, day by day West and U.E. need more of Russia and its oil, so Russia won’t be isolated (a part the fact it has good relationship with other Counties which are so loved by USA).
What a pity that a superpower like USA is suffering its decline meanwhile that superpower is still trying to perform its foreign policy with the same arrogance (or perhaps more arrogance) of the past.
Perhaps USA won the Cold War but there are losing the actual confrontation with Russia. The former is declining but the latter is surging.

Well now, a part the trouble of the world, (and as you said, the huge ones of Italy) since I’m on holiday I’m going to paint my kitchen but honestly I don’t have so much willingness. doh
Have a nice day you too. :thumbsuptoast:)


See your doing it again, pro Russia and anti USA.. you use the word "interfere" to describe the USA looking at Iraq, afghanistan, north korea, Zimbabwe, etc etc. And u say the world should "probably" thank the USA for helping Italy, France,(to name a couple) get their land back from fascit rule.
Im not saying USA were right what they did in Iraq, in fact it is widely accepted that it was wrong to do so. But when you are a super power doing what the USA do, you will always have the snippers waiting for you to make a mistake so they can come out and shoot you down! I think it's because of Envy, USA can be right 99% of the time, but as soon as they are wrong people like you will come out and sh0ot them down, and soon forget the good they did for you in past.. Envy!

Russia have way over 60% of all nuclear weapons in the world, what are they trying to tell the world? And why would they want to bully people with that size threat. You say how wrong the USA were going in Iraq, but how right Russia was going in Geogia, with the facts that you and i get, im really not sure how you can make such jugements, unless you use personal feelings.

yes its great developing Countries are getting richer, Moscow have more billionaires than any other city in the world! Tell Ivana thats a good thing now she can no longer afford to live in Moscow. The rich getting richer and poor getting poorer and Moscow will be happy for the old iron cutain to hide this.

going back to topic Saakashvili wants the world to know who started the latest fight, he is saying the Russian's started the fight, he told the world he wants the truth to come out, in fact he demanded it should!

I have a theory that Russia did start the lastest fight, so they could invade Georgia knowing the rest of the world would jump on their backs. Russia also know their people are so fuking passionate about "the mother land", as soon as people start bad mouthing them off, they will make a stand! like in WII they were so passionate 20 million lost their lifes fighting for it. this time they will be so passionate about the mother land, the poor will be happy getting poorer(instead of bad mothing Russia) if it means showing their love to the mother land, and make a stand against the people bad mouthing it.. and Moscow knew this....

$$$$$$$$

[Frank756]

Perhaps once America was a wiser superpower but honestly nowadays it looks it is just trying to avoid desperately its decline (and what about the credit crunch, foreclosure recession and the huge amount of public money used to rescue the great American banks, and what about the great rich and great poor in USA and social policy there?).
Yes that is sad but unluckily in Russia there still are a great problem of distribution of richness, there are too many great rich as well as too many poor people, but that it is rather normal in a Country which just ten years ago had a collapsed economy. I’m feel so closed to Russian also because there suffered a lot in the past – you should talk in a different way about the Russian casualties of World War II – and just now they can hope the worst is over. I’m rather aware of problem of Russian, I know there still are many and great, as well as the expensive cost of life in Moscow (I had already thought that life in Moscow for Ivana should be easy), but what I feel it is dreadful is the will of America to hurt Russia just because the former fears the latter will became to powerfull.
For America changing the truth and to saying lies is a way to manage it policy.
The history of these last years is full of example of the false propaganda: just in these days, till 2 or 3 days ago you could read on BBC website of the successful action of Russia in Caucasus as well as of the cruel Georgian intervention in South Ossetia, of people both in South Ossetia and Georgia, yes also in Georgia near of Gori, people were happy and grateful to Russia for their liberation and for patrolling Georgian region around Gori. Today, the main news is Mr Cameron travelled the region to tell Saakashvili “what Russia destroy the EU and Nato will help … to restore”. Thank that propaganda Saakashvili in now a hero.
Just a few days ago a British media like BBC was still pointing out that EU should have been very cautious to trust Saakashvili and to consider Georgia as a future Nato member.
When America wage war against IRAQ, I believed what White House said was right, but now (and that is very sad), everyone know those were lies.
It is astonishing the ability to manage with media of those your beloved America. What I fear it is that America is saying lies also upon other topic for the only purpose to do what it want.
Of course to be a wiser superpower is not an easy task but that is something completely different compared with America is showing through its foreign poicy in particular with these leadership.
Finally, the Russian nationalism is not a matter in this case, and in the case of WWII, I repeat Russia was great in the fighting against fascism and nazism and the free world should be grateful for it.
You can do and believe what you want, I just hope that people in the world are able to see the truth before things will became worse for the will of a nationalist superpower.

[Woopwoop]

Perhaps once America was a wiser superpower but honestly nowadays it looks it is just trying to avoid desperately its decline (and what about the credit crunch, foreclosure recession and the huge amount of public money used to rescue the great American banks, and what about the great rich and great poor in USA and social policy there?).
Yes that is sad but unluckily in Russia there still are a great problem of distribution of richness, there are too many great rich as well as too many poor people, but that it is rather normal in a Country which just ten years ago had a collapsed economy. I’m feel so closed to Russian also because there suffered a lot in the past – you should talk in a different way about the Russian casualties of World War II – and just now they can hope the worst is over. I’m rather aware of problem of Russian, I know there still are many and great, as well as the expensive cost of life in Moscow (I had already thought that life in Moscow for Ivana should be easy), but what I feel it is dreadful is the will of America to hurt Russia just because the former fears the latter will became to powerfull.
For America changing the truth and to saying lies is a way to manage it policy.
The history of these last years is full of example of the false propaganda: just in these days, till 2 or 3 days ago you could read on BBC website of the successful action of Russia in Caucasus as well as of the cruel Georgian intervention in South Ossetia, of people both in South Ossetia and Georgia, yes also in Georgia near of Gori, people were happy and grateful to Russia for their liberation and for patrolling Georgian region around Gori. Today, the main news is Mr Cameron travelled the region to tell Saakashvili “what Russia destroy the EU and Nato will help … to restore”. Thank that propaganda Saakashvili in now a hero.
Just a few days ago a British media like BBC was still pointing out that EU should have been very cautious to trust Saakashvili and to consider Georgia as a future Nato member.
When America wage war against IRAQ, I believed what White House said was right, but now (and that is very sad), everyone know those were lies.
It is astonishing the ability to manage with media of those your beloved America. What I fear it is that America is saying lies also upon other topic for the only purpose to do what it want.
Of course to be a wiser superpower is not an easy task but that is something completely different compared with America is showing through its foreign poicy in particular with these leadership.
Finally, the Russian nationalism is not a matter in this case, and in the case of WWII, I repeat Russia was great in the fighting against fascism and nazism and the free world should be grateful for it.
You can do and believe what you want, I just hope that people in the world are able to see the truth before things will became worse for the will of a nationalist superpower.


Russia/ soviet union did really well in the war?? are you joking me? Russia didnt give a fuck if the rest of the world was run by facist Germany.. they didnt even join in untill germany attacked them, then they went to Poland and Germany after. they were only fighting for Russia and the mother land, and they will always only fight for russia!
And before you say about pearl harbour and USA, they were as bad in my view.



We are going towards a other Cold War, and its down to Russia not USA.. Germany France UK all say Russia are wrong... tell me the leaders who are agreing with what u and Russia are saying?

This is getting a pointless debate, as the views of you and Russia are so much in the minority in the world, its best to stay with the facts.. and the facts are Russia are losing friends in the world, and are pushing themselfs closer to a cold war again..

be afraid very afraidscrreddscrreddscrreddscrreddscrreddscrreddsc rredd

ive had enuff now, was fun tho.. but my head hurts now:)


toast

[Frank756]

Me too I’ve enough but let say as last thing, I fear America is still plenty of that hate for Russia and that risk to drive the word to another cold war. I hope to be wrong.

toast:)

[ADJ84]

Hello Ivy.

I was with a lot of work this week and I could not get to your live chat show :( dohdoh... I hope to be in the next. I read this week that you are a little sick and tired (also of mourning in Russia) anyway I hope to when you can.

I leave you a video, to know what you think about it. The audio is Spanish, but has translated into English. It was referring to Bush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLf08O3D_f0

Kisses

Andres