What I really dislike in the USA

[masha]

I just saw some documentery over the USA and their police system. I know the Moscow police if far from perfect, but maybe less scary then the USA..

This is what happend

1. police goes to ATM machine. They put like 300USD on the atm.(like someone forgot it)

2. then they hide and film, then guy want to get cash, he sees the money, and put it in his wallet(he think he is lucky) then police comes out of car and arrest these guys....

Just plain stupid if you ask me...

Discuss

Love Masha

[morfius]

Where did you read that Masha ? :)
I dont like in our police that they are stupid assholes with huge guns and they use it pretty often without any reason ..

[masha]

Originally posted by morfius
Where did you read that Masha ? :)
I dont like in our police that they are stupid assholes with huge guns and they use it pretty often without any reason ..

It was some US cop program..DOn't remember the name

Love Masha

[eeyore]

Lucky I don't have many concerns over here in Australia, but I agree the the stories I see about the US are unbelievable.They use unneccasary force too often

They are supposed to "serve and protect".
More like they "dish out and expose"

Mwah

Scotty

[Unregistered]

Yes, unfortunately the "protect and serve" has turned to "harress and abuse".

[masha]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Yes, unfortunately the "protect and serve" has turned to "harress and abuse".

Are you from the USA? If so, does it happen a lot? I saw they did the same with fake hookers

Love Masha

[todtribe]

They do use undercover cops to try and stop prostitution in the USA. i don't know about that atm scam that sounds very close to being illegal as it sounds like entrapment. i have had my encounters with the police and they treat you pretty much how you treat them. most of the rogue cop stories are in horrible neighborhoods and after investigations you usually find out the victims were exaggerating quite a bit. If someone aims a gun at a cop, and all they get is beaten, they should feel lucky....

[todtribe]

They do use undercover cops to try and stop prostitution in the USA. i don't know about that atm scam that sounds very close to being illegal as it sounds like entrapment. i have had my encounters with the police and they treat you pretty much how you treat them. most of the rogue cop stories are in horrible neighborhoods and after investigations you usually find out the victims were exaggerating quite a bit. If someone aims a gun at a cop, and all they get is beaten, they should feel lucky....

[gadfly]

Masha - the police in Moscow are just as bad as the police in the US. In the US, for example, you're only required to carry identification (usually a driver's license) if you're the driver of a motor vehicle. America doesn't have internal passports or registration - only something like 15% of Americans have passports because they are only for international travel and you don't need one to go to Canada. Cops really don't bother anyone unless they break the law. The problem with the US isn't its cops, it's the law that they enforce. You can't drink on the street in the US or drink before you're 21. Cops are notoriously racist against blacks, but every time an innocent black man gets shot or beaten, the black community organizes a riot.

According to the Moscow Times, 'Reports of police brutality are widespread across Russia, with 5.7 percent of residents in Russia's 12 biggest cities saying they have suffered police violence, according to a poll published by the Levada Center in May. The poll's margin of error was 2.5 percent.' Russian police answer to the FSB instead of locally elected police chiefs and aren't thought of as public servants but rather as the protectors of the government. According to David Satter, author of 'Darkness at Dawn,' cops in Russia regularly shake down (take bribes from) kiosk owners but rarely respond to real crimes.

http://www.google.ru/search?q=cache:ijZVdFkFnl4J:www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/06/24/002.html+%22Tamara+Zolotseva+was+waiting%22&hl=ru

[zulu]

what i really dislike in the USA is that the administration...

- does not care about the nature! They didn't sign the Kyoto protocol which is an international convention to reduce CO2 emission! The USA is the biggest polluter of the world!
- doesn't care about the international Bio-Weapon contract, which prohibits the development of biological and chemical weapons worldwide! Actually the reason why they attacked the Iraq ;( !
- disobey the Geneve convention
- frequently devolves international interests of the UNO!
- declares all people in the world to terrorists at default!
- is corrupted by the big bosses of economy!

I'm sick of that crap! What do they think they are?
If you Americans don't elect a new administration this year, you'll be hated forever! Sorry, but i think that way! Listen to what Michael Moore is telling you!
I have a lot of friends in the US and they hate Bush, Rice and all these STUPID followers like hell and they even don't know why they were elected (cause of Florida)!

Sorry again, but i needed to free my mind at this opportunity.

see ya...
zulu

[gadfly]

I know people that are voting for George W. Bush because Kerry threatens to raise taxes on money people make above 20 thousand a month to 37%. In Russia, this income is taxed at 13%. These conservatives have been tricked by their party into thinking that their tax dollars are spent on poor blacks and Mexicans who are too lazy to get a job, when these people in fact are paid very little of the total budget of the country. The annual military budget of the US is something like 400 billion, 4 times the total budget of Russia and 13 times Russia's budget for the police and military. The US and Israel pay the most per person for their countries armies, but I don't think all of this money makes them safe.

[Unregistered]

Masha or whoever write this,

What you saw was TV it was not real. This is just show. It is not illegal to "find" money. Why would police film themslves? This was just made up show. US has more freedoms and opportunities than any other country. I am tired of people who have never even been to US for visit talking about life in US. Do not believe everything you see on TV. Ask questions but do not say as truth unless you know.

[todtribe]

i am so sick of the rest of the world... go cry in a corner somewhere because we don't want to hear it. if America helps some country out, we are assholes to the rest of the world. then when we leave those countries, we are assholes for not doing enough.... i think America should close its borders and not help anyone out anymore. We should leave the UN. The UN thinks they can try and change laws within the USA, where the UN has no influence whatsoever legally. America should have stayed out of WWII. Then we wouldn't have had to hear France and Germany bitch anymore because they would have wiped themselves out.

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sorry i am just frustrated with outsiders talking about american politics..... michael moore is a RICH RICH man who cares about nothing but himself and making his fatass voice heard at any cost. And if you think that John Kerry getting elected will drastically change the USA, think again.

[zulu]

todribe...

sorry for my exorbitant post earlier, i have to apologize! Please do not misunderstand, i hate the present US administration and not America and it's people. I also can only judge the international politics.

do you really think, the US administration is interested in helping them out? They want to help themself, cuz they need the oil for a moderate prize to go on polluting the air with the present admeasurement and the big companies (whose manager are as fat as Moore) can build up the infrastructure and make profits in the future.
A different example is the Kosovo war which was aided by the whole world.
And do you really compare it with world war 2? Sure the German were evil, like no one in history and i'm really glad you helped Europe and even Germany but this is 60 years in the past. Now we have other problems in the world.
Close your border and leave all other alone. After a while you'll realize, that a lot of them work for your (our) prosperity! And i'm sure you don't want to loose that.
Curiously, what did Bush do for his own nation, except making lots of new debts which are to be beared by all Americans?
Kerry wouldn't drastically change it, but i hope he's not telling a pack of lies to the whole world and even it's own people like Bush does! Blair and Aznar are also meant.

see ya...
zulu

[gadfly]

Shakka Zulu - I'm with you on most of that, but

When did war become an act of charitable giving? Why should American and European taxes pay to bomb some village so that their chil dren can one day vote, praise Jesus, and have the right to choose between Coke and Pepsi?

There are countless dictators, like Karimov in Uzbekistan, that the United States sends money to, not to mention the fascist Israelis. Why is a wall that rips apart communities (paid for by politically illiterate middle class American tax payers) any better than Apartheid?

And why won't this let me write the word 'c h i l d?' Wealthy Americans like the Republicans because they want their taxes to be closer to 30% rather than 40%. Super wealthy Americans get their taxes refunded in full, and their companies are able to profit from government contracts. The libertarians are the only sane ones.

[gadfly]

American society has a conservative element that European society doesn't - Europeans don't really mind things like prostitution and the use of soft drugs; Europe doesn't have people that murder abortion doctors or towns that ban all alcohol. American conservatives see a common element that connects free enterprise, democracy, religious identity, and conservative social values; they see warfare as an evangelical endeavor. American conservatives see political values in terms of a dichotomy - good/evil, republican/democrat, Christian/Muslim, American/terrorist. Reason will not penetrate this veil; to aquiesce would be to cede one's interest to those that would raise your taxes and expose your *****ren to pornography. From this perspective, you can imagine how these cops are not corrupt (the overwhelming majority don't take bribes) but rather that they are zealots.

[todtribe]

republican/democrat

this is the single biggest problem in america.

[Larry Mason]

I just got around to your post from several months ago, about US legal system.

Here are a couple of things that are SUPPOSED to be true according to US law as I understand it:

1. Finding money - If you find anything valuable, you have two choices: (a) leave it alone and don't touch it, or (b) if you pick it up you are supposed to TRY to find the owner and return it.

Usually if it's a small amount of money (maybe even $200), currency with no real way to trace it, and it is in a fairly public place, you can defend yourself by saying there was no way to find the owner.

Maybe you could take the money away but post a note at the ATM with your phone number, saying "I found some money and if you lost it you should phone me and tell me the amount and the size of bills or something, and I will give it back" and then you put it in an envelope and keep it safe for maybe a month and if nobody claims it you are allowed to assume it is "abandoned."

2. Entrapment. The general principle is that a policeman is not supposed to trick you into committing a crime that you would not have committed without his encouragement. This is often very hard to determine however. For example a policewoman might pose as a hooker - if she's just walking down a street where there are lots of other hookers and a guy asks her, maybe she's OK. But if she's in a place that's not too raunchy and she approaches the guy, that would probably be entrapment.

All of this is pretty subjective of course, and different Police Departments interpret these things in their own way.

And of course American TV dramatizes everything, which can make it seem worse.

But I can give you some real examples that are almost as bad as the ones you mentioned.

[jeffksen]

i know this is an old post but i was bored and looking thru them.

to clear things up. i was aa cop in the US for 7 years befor semi-retiring to my present job.

if someone was to find money it would not be a crime thus nothing to arrest them for. so it wouldnt be something police would do. the show you watched mis led you.

as for the cops posing as prostitutes this is true, but there are specific rules to how they can do it. mainly they can not suggest anything. the person who is trying to buy the prostitute must make the offer. meaning the undercover officer cant ask the guy if he wants sex. if they do it is called entrapment and the guy goes free.

as for the excesive force. it does happen as it does everywhere in the world, but most of the time the force used is not excessive.

i worked in a very bad area and when you got someone who wanted to fight or resist. you had to take action that you knew would subdue them. if you take too little action it could end up costing you you life. many people who have never done this type of work dont understand this because they have never worked a job where every day that you go to work there is a real chance you might not come home.

i was shot once (minor wound) and stabbed 2 times. so it is a very real threat.

[ora]

calm down! i think the whole story, like many others, is a problem of media-generalization
Nowadays we got lots of tv/comp-channels that MUST be filled with extraordinary "news"
This context does normally have NOTHING to do with our personnal life! Police has, as far as I know- my bros is a PO for traffic- the normal rate of idiots in their rows- but: each PO has been given more POWER than normals, which makes each "scandal" more grave.
Why do people spend so much money for tsunami-victims, when much people more die starving in the world? That is no media-event...
US government cheated the whole world in Iraq-war: by media!
I visited Hawaii in 2003- I was lucky not to give my fingerprints & photo: am I a terrorist??? And- IF:I would fly a plane into a skyscraper-they have my prints- AND???
btw: it was nice on hawaii!
My message is: keep kewl when u see such shows on tv and keep ur own personnal area clean!

[Unregistered]

it seems the sport in Europe these days is "hating America" i love europe and it people but the media over there is one-side just like it is here. Good news isn't worth reporting. i saw a program last night on the Beslan massacre. There are problems everywhere.
you wonder about our crime problem, it can be answered in two words, Blacks and Mexicans

[Nic]

That was a disgusting comment. It's a good job you are unregistered.

There are many things I would like to say, but I think this is not the place for politics. I strongly suggest Masha locks this post or deletes it before things turn nasty.

[rockerdude]

it seems the sport in Europe these days is "hating America" i love europe and it people but the media over there is one-side just like it is here. Good news isn't worth reporting. i saw a program last night on the Beslan massacre. There are problems everywhere.
you wonder about our crime problem, it can be answered in two words, Blacks and Mexicans

Tim McVey and David Koresh were 2 of the blackest and brownest people in America I suppose? You need a reality check. The CEO of Enron wasn't Juan Garcia.

[Nic]

That's what I'm talking about....

Thread needs to be closed!!!!!

[Tristan]

it seems the sport in Europe these days is "hating America" i love europe and it people but the media over there is one-side just like it is here. Good news isn't worth reporting. i saw a program last night on the Beslan massacre. There are problems everywhere.
you wonder about our crime problem, it can be answered in two words, Blacks and Mexicans

I haven't heard this kind of crap since I witnessed an old KKK rally in Louisiana years ago. People with this attitude is one of the things I dislike in the US. The fact that Afro-Americans and Spanish Americans make up the majority of our prison system is only because of the 2 tier legal system we have, poor and rich.

The fact that nearly all mass murderers or serial killers are middle aged white men totally escapes your warped sense of reason.

Tristan :crazy

[rockerdude]

I haven't heard this kind of crap since I witnessed an old KKK rally in Louisiana years ago. People with this attitude is one of the things I dislike in the US. The fact that Afro-Americans and Spanish Americans make up the majority of our prison system is only because of the 2 tier legal system we have, poor and rich.

The fact that nearly all mass murderers or serial killers are middle aged white men totally escapes your warped sense of reason.

Tristan :crazy

You said what I was about to....how about a show of hands for all the black or hispanic serial killers of all time? How many hands are raised?

[rockerdude]

it seems the sport in Europe these days is "hating America" i love europe and it people but the media over there is one-side just like it is here. Good news isn't worth reporting. i saw a program last night on the Beslan massacre. There are problems everywhere.
you wonder about our crime problem, it can be answered in two words, Blacks and Mexicans

Revised version....the 2 words that can answer it would be..."idiots" and "a$$holes"

[Unregistered]

the Majority of crimes in America are commited by the minorities.
wake up and realize the facts. not a racist statement .. just facts

[rockerdude]

the Majority of crimes in America are commited by the minorities.
wake up and realize the facts. not a racist statement .. just facts

I don't know if you're the one who wrote the above comment or not, but it didn't say anything about majority. It said crime can be answered in 2 words, as in if you elimnate those 2 things there would be none, which is very far from fact or reality.

[Nic]

anyone with any sense will not reply to this....

[Tristan]

I disagree we should lock this thread, the most important freedom one can have is the personal freedom of speech, censureship in almost all forums is wrong. The fact that the poster stayed unregistered says more than his post said. We are (for the most part anyway) adults here, these kind of remarks isn't something new for any of us to hear.

The reality that his post was both ignorant and racially biased is no reason to lock it.

Tristan :crazy

[rockerdude]

I disagree we should lock this thread, the most important freedom one can have is the personal freedom of speech, censureship in almost all forums is wrong. The fact that the poster stayed unregistered says more than his post said. We are (for the most part anyway) adults here, these kind of remarks isn't something new for any of us to hear.

The reality that his post was both ignorant and racially biased is no reason to lock it.

Tristan :crazy

My guess is, a 12 year old who was bored with his video games logged in and posted those comments.

[Nic]

I agree Trist, but I am afraid this will only cause arguments and bad feeling. That would not be good if it found its way into the shows....

[jeffksen]

man,

didnt want to start a racial riot!!! just wanted to clarify some law points, but at least you guys got to meet 1st hand what i hate most about america. idiots with such a small mind as to hate someone because of their skin or birth place.

as for his comment on blacks and mecicans commiting most of the crime. semi true but for reasons other than he states.

people arent arrested because they are poor. they are arrested because they commit crimes, but in a catch 22 poor people commit more crimes out of a kind of necessity. not saying it is necessary for everyone poor to commit crimes, but someone who has not and does not have the advantages to get to a place to be a have instead of a have not is more likley to commit a crime to get what they need. also enviroment breeds this. young kids see drug dealers in their nieghborhood driving nice cars wearing the latest fashions then see a honest person wearing walmart clothes and driving an old car the choice to do it the right way becomes harder.

the 2nd catch 22 is that rich and poor commit crimes. rich people can afford a good defense to get them out of charges for their crimes. where poor people have to rely on an over worked public defender to handle their case. black white red blue doesnt matter if you have money you have a better chance to go free. OJ simpson is a prime example if you have 12 million to hire 5 of the best lawyers in the country you can get away with murder. like i said black white it doesnt matter the problem lies in the fact that african americans and mexicans make up a majority of the poor in the united states due to to past and present social dissadvantages.

will bet 100.00 our unregistered poster is some poor piece of white trash that has a criminal record himself and feels better by slandering people because of the color of their skin.

i also agree with not locking this thread. freedom of speech is something i have fought in the military for and many people around the world have given their lives for. many people in the world desire it but cant have it. unless someone is making threats or spaming a thread their view should be heard no matter how stupid it is...

[Unregistered]

Rockerdude tell everyone about the kidnapping in Tyler

[Unregistered]

i'm college educated and have lived in almost every major city in the country.
St Louis is voted the most crime riddled city in the country.
i wonder why?

[rockerdude]

Rockerdude tell everyone about the kidnapping in Tyler

?? I have no idea what you're talking about. There's kidnapping's every day in many cities across the world.

[Tristan]

i'm college educated and have lived in almost every major city in the country.
St Louis is voted the most crime riddled city in the country.
i wonder why?


Ok, and your point is?

Trist :crazy

[Unregistered]

i'm college educated and have lived in almost every major city in the country.
St Louis is voted the most crime riddled city in the country.
i wonder why?
Dear "Unregistered" ....register to the forum before u start
typing a lot of crap plz...are afraid of something?
It's nice to be able to answer a name....before a coward that
not dare to stand for what he types and hides behind no name
and are anonymous.

And no, i don't discuss this type of subjects in a forum with strangers.
It always get "off line" and ends with people get unfriendly!
All have rights to opinions, but sometimes the best way to show them
is to shut up.
I should be pleased if this thread shuts down or gets deleted.
It is turning the wrong way.....

My opinion about this!

[Unregistered]

i would expect a response like that

[rockerdude]

i would expect a response like that

Its confusing to know who is writing without a name. Although not likely, the same person could have written the 3 prior posts. And why would someone talk about another whose unregistered when they are too? :confused:

[Duztman*]

Dear "Unregistered" ....register to the forum before u start
typing a lot of crap plz...are u afraid of something?
It's nice to be able to answer a name....before a coward that
not dare to stand for what he types and hides behind no name
and are anonymous.

And no, i don't discuss this type of subjects in a forum with strangers.
It always get "off line" and ends with people get unfriendly!
All have rights to opinions, but sometimes the best way to show them
is to shut up.
I should be pleased if this thread shuts down or gets deleted.
It is turning the wrong way.....

My opinion about this!
Sorry, i was not logged in...my fault.
Of course i stand for what i type. :D
It was me (Duzty) that posted this quote!!!

And i would expect a response like yours "Unregistered".

/Duzty

[rockerdude]

Ok, and your point is?

Trist :crazy

??? Because the most crime takes place there? :confused:

[bud]

I am sure there are other boards and forums where this discussion would be more appropriate.... IMHO...

I am all for "free speech", but personally I come to MW and this board to escape the bullshit that goes on everyday where I live... As far as the USA goes, I am proud to live here... Sure there are things that I dislike, and things that others may dislike as well... Isn't that the way it is everywhere?

Maybe there are other countries where things are better... if so that's great. But I have not heard of that Utopia yet...

BTW... Dear "unregistered"... Who gives a shit about St Louis or why it is the most crime riddled city in the US? Have you ever been to L.A.???

Personally, I would like to stop this post... mainly because I don't see anything positive coming from it... That's just my opinion... for what it is worth...

Best regards!!!
bud
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